Siem quoted Radical Dharma by Angel Kyodo Williams
Lama Rod: We're not here to reproduce comfort. You can go to a country club for that. (...) What we are seeing now, instead of folks owning that confusion, is that we try to bypass the chaos of the mud or the confusion because we see sanghas as being this really nice place we can relax, but it doesn't serve us actually. Like I said, you can relax anywhere. We wast sangha and community when we choose not to engage in discomfort associated with liberatory practice.
— Radical Dharma by Angel Kyodo Williams, Lama Rod Owens, Jasmine Syedullah (Page 171)
It's good to hear it this straight, and this is totally not the message I got when I was introduced to meditation at first through more mainstream white teachers.